Rule suggestion : career ending injuries

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Rule suggestion : career ending injuries

Post by llmolsonll » Mon 10 Dec '12 11:42pm

Career ending injuries : they stink when they happen, but are they still realistic and should we adapt given in-game year 2045? In the OOTP universe, everything translates through ratings and potential. A CEI should translate into ratings and potentials drops, which long term injuries often do. Given today's medecine (2012), players come back strong regularly; given in-game 2045 virtual medecine, it should be even better? Tommy John surgery isnt even scary anymore...

Who could name MLB players whose career ended due to an injury recently?

As other leagues do, should we convert CEI to 12-24 months injuries?

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Re: Rule suggestion : career ending injuries

Post by barracus79 » Tue 11 Dec '12 8:18am

I'm on the fence on this one, would be happy either way
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Re: Rule suggestion : career ending injuries

Post by Halifax » Tue 11 Dec '12 11:47am

Prefer to keep CEI.

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Re: Rule suggestion : career ending injuries

Post by JAttractive » Tue 11 Dec '12 4:46pm

Would rather up the injury time to 12 to 48 months (random range) and let the game engine hit them with ratings drop. Most will effectively be career ending injuries this way anyway but there is still uncertainty. I think part of the problem with the way CEI's are handled is there is no chance of a comeback, which is not what happens in real life. Yes some injuries ARE career enders but seldom do we realize that until years of failed comebacks, rehab attempts etc.

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Post by ill16ca » Tue 11 Dec '12 5:17pm

I agree with JAttractive. I suggested 18 months, but I'd be fine with 12-48 months. As far as I can tell, the game does make talent hits more likely when a player is injured.

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Re: Rule suggestion : career ending injuries

Post by kq76 » Tue 11 Dec '12 6:18pm

No.

LTIs are not the same as CEIs and who knows what 2045 will really bring. Cancer has been around since at least ancient Egypt and yet centuries of Science still haven't eradicated it. Yes, there have been many advances in medicine over the years, but to speculate that CEIs will be gone in 33 years is silly. Should we also advance our finances to the point that players make, not millions a year, but billions a year too? Certainly players in 2045 will be making much more than they are today, but we haven't bothered to change that and would we really want to? Probably not. What for? Part of the fun of taking part in an online league certainly must be in imagining that we have to deal with the same sort of things that real GMs have to and getting rid of CEIs would get rid of part of that fun and challenge. Would it be better if OOTP changed many CEIs (not all, because of deaths and some players just give up) to LTIs that just never end? Maybe, but without that option, CEIs are better than no CEIs. We might as well edit ratings drops we don't like.

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Re: Rule suggestion : career ending injuries

Post by chrisj » Tue 11 Dec '12 7:28pm

JAttractive wrote:Would rather up the injury time to 12 to 48 months (random range) and let the game engine hit them with ratings drop. Most will effectively be career ending injuries this way anyway but there is still uncertainty. I think part of the problem with the way CEI's are handled is there is no chance of a comeback, which is not what happens in real life. Yes some injuries ARE career enders but seldom do we realize that until years of failed comebacks, rehab attempts etc.
But there isn't a way to do this automatically, is there?

If it involves manual work I would prefer not to make any change as how to you avoid potential bias (or the threat of someone suggesting potential bias)? i.e. what if André Cousineau was set to come back in 12 months because of some random generator, but player x was set to 3 years and suffered significant talent hits along the way?

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Re: Rule suggestion : career ending injuries

Post by Checker33 » Tue 11 Dec '12 8:23pm

I would like to do away with CEI's. Make any CEI a 12 month injury. I don't want reality, I want a fun game. Also, whether its 2012 or 2045, CEI's just don't happen anymore. Guys come back from Tommy John surgery throwing harder than before their injury.

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Re: Rule suggestion : career ending injuries

Post by MK82 » Tue 11 Dec '12 8:31pm

I would prefer to keep the CEI given the fact that the league hardly loses players to CEIs.

With that being said, I am easily swayed.
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Re: Rule suggestion : career ending injuries

Post by llmolsonll » Tue 11 Dec '12 9:54pm

chrisj wrote:
JAttractive wrote:Would rather up the injury time to 12 to 48 months (random range) and let the game engine hit them with ratings drop. Most will effectively be career ending injuries this way anyway but there is still uncertainty. I think part of the problem with the way CEI's are handled is there is no chance of a comeback, which is not what happens in real life. Yes some injuries ARE career enders but seldom do we realize that until years of failed comebacks, rehab attempts etc.
But there isn't a way to do this automatically, is there?

If it involves manual work I would prefer not to make any change as how to you avoid potential bias (or the threat of someone suggesting potential bias)? i.e. what if André Cousineau was set to come back in 12 months because of some random generator, but player x was set to 3 years and suffered significant talent hits along the way?
Editing has to be manual, but CEI are scarce and it really hardly adds any work. I got hit once or twice since i joined in 2032, league average maybe is 2 a year maximum? It really doesnt add more work than inputing a rare trade would.

Has mentionned above, an injury turns into a CEI years later when rehabs and comebacks fail, they do because it translated into ratings drops. Let the game do its magic and hit us with ratings drops, it is much more realistic to me.

And honestly, how could an injury be diagnosed as a CEI right away? Shouldnt it be a long process, first with the actual surgery and healing, then the failed rehabs and comebacks? It should take months to diagnose it.

And CEI can be turned off altogether btw.

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Re: Rule suggestion : career ending injuries

Post by Geoff » Tue 11 Dec '12 11:32pm

I don't mind the CEI, (As long as the frequency doesn't get too high). Dealing with injuries and still having a good season are one of the most satisfying things in OOTP.
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Post by grizzliesgm » Tue 11 Dec '12 11:38pm

I'm okay keeping CEI. I've been burned in the past but that adds to the challenge of the game.

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Post by Claybor » Tue 11 Dec '12 11:52pm

No strong opinion here, either way.

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Re: Rule suggestion : career ending injuries

Post by Winnipeg59 » Wed 12 Dec '12 8:34pm

Leave 'em.
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Re: Rule suggestion : career ending injuries

Post by JAttractive » Thu 13 Dec '12 12:17am

Oh didn't realize you would have to manually change them. I thought you could edit the injury file to make them longer than a year.

Hopefully CEI's, deaths etc. are things that future versions model better. I understand that's it is unrealistic to turn them off but the counter-argument is that the game doesn't handle them realistically anyway. I am cool with leaving them on now that I know you have to manually edit them and I will just hold out hope that this is something the game will eventually improve upon.

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Re: Rule suggestion : career ending injuries

Post by jazzrack » Thu 13 Dec '12 3:31am

i would be more for dropping down th injury frequency a notch for a season and see what happens rather than eliminate CEI's.

and this is from somebody who has lost his franchises best players to cei's.
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Re: Rule suggestion : career ending injuries

Post by chrisj » Thu 13 Dec '12 11:06pm

jazzrack wrote:i would be more for dropping down th injury frequency a notch for a season and see what happens rather than eliminate CEI's.

and this is from somebody who has lost his franchises best players to cei's.
FWIW, we're already set to low.

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Re: Rule suggestion : career ending injuries

Post by jazzrack » Fri 14 Dec '12 12:24am

chrisj wrote:
jazzrack wrote:i would be more for dropping down th injury frequency a notch for a season and see what happens rather than eliminate CEI's.

and this is from somebody who has lost his franchises best players to cei's.
FWIW, we're already set to low.
well then i would vote for no change. a run of bad luck is a run of bad luck. i made it worse all by myself :oops:
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