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rule suggestion : minor league age/experience restriction

Post by llmolsonll » Mon 10 Dec '12 11:57pm

We currently either have age limits for A/AA ball as well as a 2-year experience limit for rookie ball. Due to player's morale issues, development can be slowed down or talent hits can be suffered. Many players arent ready to move on to A ball after a 2-year stint through rookie league and some also arent ready to move to AA at 24 years old.

Should we abolish minor league age limits or at least, let players develop freely in R ball? If not, what do we still gain from these limits in OOTP13?

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Post by barracus79 » Tue 11 Dec '12 8:17am

get rid of age limits. I think most owners here are active enough to manage their minors effectively.
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Post by JAttractive » Tue 11 Dec '12 4:55pm

Yes get rid of them. Too hard to enforce, easy to forget and not sure what it accomplishes in the first place.

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Post by ill16ca » Tue 11 Dec '12 5:20pm

Begone, age limits.

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Post by kq76 » Tue 11 Dec '12 5:48pm

No.

The rules are meant to mirror reality and not have OOTP letting players in their late 20s take up valuable spots in the minors. Yeah, are the rules enforced? No, probably not at all, but it's my hope that it at least tells people to try to keep an eye on it for the good of development. Besides, there's been talk that OOTP will incorporate this as a feature and by then we'll be able to just set it, but if we vote it out then we'd have to vote again to get it back in.

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Post by MK82 » Tue 11 Dec '12 8:36pm

I do not care about this either way.
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Post by llmolsonll » Tue 11 Dec '12 9:35pm

cant see what the added value of this rule to our league. I dont believe it accomplishes anything positive. We want our players to develop and we shoot ourselves in the foot by being prompted to promote them to quickly due to age limits.

I doubt ML clubs promote players just because they got older as a general rule.

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Post by cubfan377 » Tue 11 Dec '12 10:02pm

I agree with Kieran's points. Doesn't really matter if we have the rule or not.

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Post by grizzliesgm » Tue 11 Dec '12 11:41pm

I vote to keep the age limits.

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Post by Claybor » Wed 12 Dec '12 12:00am

I like the age limits but if it's not enforced (which is a time consuming thing to keep up with) it serves little to no purpose.

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Post by ill16ca » Wed 12 Dec '12 12:24am

If the only reason this rule exists is to prevent older players from being hoarded in rookie ball (which I don't really see as a problem, but whatever), why not just change the rule to not allowing players over, say, 25 play in rookie ball? It'd be easier to enforce, and would give younger players plenty of time to develop and move on to the next level.

For the record, I've had a couple of players who have missed whole (or almost whole) seasons due to injury, yet had to be promoted when they clearly weren't ready because they'd accrued 2 years of minor league service time. The rule as we have it is flawed.

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Post by Winnipeg59 » Wed 12 Dec '12 8:32pm

kq76 wrote:No.

The rules are meant to mirror reality and not have OOTP letting players in their late 20s take up valuable spots in the minors. Yeah, are the rules enforced? No, probably not at all, but it's my hope that it at least tells people to try to keep an eye on it for the good of development. Besides, there's been talk that OOTP will incorporate this as a feature and by then we'll be able to just set it, but if we vote it out then we'd have to vote again to get it back in.
If indeed roster rules will be in all leagues in future, then I now like this idea!
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Re: rule suggestion : minor league age/experience restrictio

Post by llmolsonll » Wed 12 Dec '12 8:51pm

i never participated in another league with age limits rules. If a rule hurts player development, then its a bad rule to me. And if it isnt enforced on top of it, then why keep it? Ill simply stop moving guys up to follow the rule.

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Post by jazzrack » Thu 13 Dec '12 4:01am

the real problem is the rookie league is just a pain in the ass. the age thing is easy enough but having to keep track of service time sucks.

rookie league is useless half the season as it is. change rookie league to low-a increase the schedule length to make it a usefull league for development. if you really wanted to get slick we could move the draft to near the end of the season (or just beforeor just after) so it all makes sense timing wise. i never understood why the draft is based on the US high school baseball season ending.
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Post by JAttractive » Fri 14 Dec '12 11:46am

Yeah the service time thing sucks and I will admit I no longer pay attention to it. My basic rule is once a guy turns 20 I promote him to A ball. I figure that is close enough to the intention and I don't have to think about it.

A simple age limit would be better.

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Post by llmolsonll » Sat 15 Dec '12 10:32pm

JAttractive wrote:Yeah the service time thing sucks and I will admit I no longer pay attention to it. My basic rule is once a guy turns 20 I promote him to A ball. I figure that is close enough to the intention and I don't have to think about it.

A simple age limit would be better.
With morale being a factor in player development, adding yet another age limit to force players upwards when they arent ready wouldnt help.

Might as well turn morale off...

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Post by JAttractive » Sat 15 Dec '12 10:36pm

I just mean that an age limit (vs. worrying about age AND service time) is easier. If we want to make that age 26 I don't care, I am just saying at least age is something that is easy to quickly scan for.

I have never seen this cause issues (or at least was never made aware of them) in my all my online leagues though so I am not sure what the concern is. I just don't want to see a rule that is "work" (ie. scanning service time) to enforce.

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Post by llmolsonll » Sat 15 Dec '12 10:51pm

JAttractive wrote:I just don't want to see a rule that is "work" (ie. scanning service time) to enforce.
easy answer : no age limits nor restrictions.

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Post by Gardi » Sun 16 Dec '12 7:49am

JAttractive wrote:I just mean that an age limit (vs. worrying about age AND service time) is easier. If we want to make that age 26 I don't care, I am just saying at least age is something that is easy to quickly scan for.

I have never seen this cause issues (or at least was never made aware of them) in my all my online leagues though so I am not sure what the concern is. I just don't want to see a rule that is "work" (ie. scanning service time) to enforce.
I agree. Let's keep things simple for Chris.

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Re: rule suggestion : minor league age/experience restrictio

Post by Halifax » Sun 16 Dec '12 8:20am

No more rules on this. Keep it simple.

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